Episode 159: NAT-NO and Kick the PSD Out Already

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• Episode: Episode 159: NAT-NO and Kick the PSD Out Already
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• Duration: 00:57:16
• Published: 2019-12-08 22:57

This week we discuss the Romanian presidential election results a little late and the brain dead state of NATO (for like 20+ years)

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No Election Left Behind

Romanian Presidential Election

https://www.eurotopics.net/en/230152/iohannis-the-favourite-in-romania-s-runoff-vote?zitat=230105&pk_campaign=rss-en&pk_kwd=2019-11-11#zitat230105

That Would Be Nice

NAT-NO

NATO ( North Atlantic Treaty Organization) is stupid... There.. that'll teach 'em

Macron is sort of on point...

Macron is being whiney... But also has some good points. If you ignore the American imperialism angle, what exactly is the point of NATO?

Is it to defend eastern Europe from invasion? Cool, well you're not doing that. The Ukraine membership process wasn't finished but a refusal to help with that seems arbitrary at best.

Is it to only ever do something when everyone agrees? Well no.. because then the US just does whatever it wants anyway inc. drone strikes, actual invasions (iraq), weapon's sales (looking at you US, UK and Germany) for ongoing wars NATO wants no part of...

On the other hand Macron was mainly complaining about not focusing on terrorism in sub Saharan Africa

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-icc-executions-ukrainian-soldiers-evidence-separatists/30312834.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/28/macron-defends-brain-dead-nato-remarks-as-summit-approaches

https://www.eurotopics.net/en/231314/nato-row-meeting-between-macron-and-stoltenberg

Nigel is trying to create a weird decision between NATO and any EU cooperation... I'm assuming from his American friends?

https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-and-european-defense-union-cannot-coexist-nigel-farage/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS_Syndication

Summit good opportunity to be mean to Trump

UK commentators are obsessed over how it affects the election since trump is so unpopular and gives them those sweet sweet eyeball money. Also that hot mic thing

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/29/the-guardian-view-on-the-nato-summit-the-watford-credibility-gap

https://www.politico.eu/article/hot-mic-moments-heat-up-nato-leaders-summit/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS_Syndication

But doesn't Orange Man say is bad?

Well.. yes.. sort of.. but in the way he says everything is bad until someone tells him it's useful to him or an avenue to get leverage. In the US the pro NATO crowd have migrated to the Democrats because of Trump, but his few "establishment" people like it too. It's also a great vector to try force other countries to increase military spending when their populations don't want to do that...

It was and is still an avenue for the US to try bully smaller countries into signing onto their agenda. Before the break up of the USSR NATO was in effect a defence pact with coordination, which is in theory fine. Since then it's

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/07/nato-donald-trump-putin-cold-war