Design Matters with Debbie Millman: Josh Liberson & Ethan Trask
Josh Liberson & Ethan Trask are the designers and founders of the firm Helicopter, Inc.
On Design Observer: http://observermedia.designobserver.com/audio/josh-liberson--ethan-trask/9377/
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/design-matters-debbie-millman/id328074695