#13 - Claire Walsh on testing which policies work & how to get governments to listen to the results

80,000 Hours Podcast

• Episode: #13 - Claire Walsh on testing which policies work & how to get governments to listen to the results
• Website: 80,000 Hours Podcast
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• Duration: 00:52:28
• Published: 2017-10-31 22:00

In both rich and poor countries, government policy is often based on no evidence at all and many programs don’t work. This has particularly harsh effects on the global poor - in some countries governments only spend $100 on each citizen a year so they can’t afford to waste a single dollar.

Enter MIT’s Poverty Action Lab (J-PAL). Since 2003 they’ve conducted experiments to figure out what policies actually help recipients, and then tried to get them implemented by governments and non-profits.

Claire Walsh leads J-PAL’s Government Partnership Initiative, which works to evaluate policies and programs in collaboration with developing world governments, scale policies that have been shown to work, and generally promote a culture of evidence-based policymaking.

Summary, links to career opportunities and topics discussed in the show.

We discussed (her views only, not J-PAL’s):

* How can they get evidence backed policies adopted? Do politicians in the developing world even care whether their programs actually work? Is the norm evidence-based policy, or policy-based evidence?
* Is evidence-based policy an evidence-based strategy itself?
* Which policies does she think would have a particularly large impact on human welfare relative to their cost?
* How did she come to lead one of J-PAL’s departments at 29?
* How do you evaluate the effectiveness of energy and environment programs (Walsh’s area of expertise), and what are the standout approaches in that area?
* 80,000 Hours has warned people about the downsides of starting your career in a non-profit. Walsh started her career in a non-profit and has thrived, so are we making a mistake?
* Other than J-PAL, what are the best places to work in development? What are the best subjects to study? Where can you go network to break into the sector?
* Is living in poverty as bad as we think?

And plenty of other things besides.

We haven’t run an RCT to test whether this episode will actually help your career, but I suggest you listen anyway. Trust my intuition on this one.